2026-02-28 Octaves Part I: PLUTO is the Higher Octave of MARS

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I would like to speak today about theastrology of octaves, and all this is notrelated to music per se,but the interrelationship betweenpersonal planetsand transpersonal planets, outer planets,Mercury to Uranus,Venus to Neptune, and Mars to Pluto.

So, this first chapteris going to focus onMars, Pluto, the interrelationship betweenthem, and howbasically, Pluto continuesthe workthat Mars is doing,but elevating it to a transpersonallevel.

So,this is happening, you know, May 17, today,in the thick of a Mars, Pluto opposition.

And we're going to speak about thebroader concept, aspects of thisparticular cycle.

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So, speaking about the octaves,traditionally, before the discovery ofthe outer planets, which are not visiblewith the naked eye,our ancestorscould only see as far as Saturn. So,the system of rulershipwasdefined by this.

Structure starting from the Sun and Moon rulingrespectively Leo and Cancer, and then oneach side,Gemini, uh, Virgo, you haveMercury ruling, then Taurus, Libra, withVenus and Mars, Scorpio with Mars, excuse,me, Aries, Scorpio with Mars, and thenuh, Pisces, Jupiter in Pisces, Sagittariuswith Neptune, and Aquarius, Capricorn withSaturn.And so, it all looks so neat.

You know, uh, everyone has a rulership.It's, it's, it's basically cookie cutter organized, and then boom, came the outerplanets. The first one was Uranus in the1700s, then Neptune in the 1800s, and thenPluto in 1930.So, as technology, uh, became moresophisticated, and we could look moredeeply into the universe, theseplanets, uh, reveal themselves to us, andastrologers were quick to integrate them,so that challenged the cookie cuttertraditional order of rulership.

And that is being questioned today. Manyastrologersdo not accept that outer planets ruleany sign.And maybe you know, this video will makeyou think about that. You know, I'm notgoing to make absolute assertion, butbear with me, and you'll understand whatI'm getting at.

Still, as we look atthe interrelationship between thepersonal planets, the Mercury, Venus, Mars,and the outer planets,Uranus, Neptune, Pluto,we do identifya resonance,an inter-relationship, and I am going toexplore this today, uh, with you, with thefirst chapter being Morrison Pluto.

So,if we define them orspecifically,um,Mars and Pluto ruleAries and Scorpio.

So,Mars is going to be the traditionalruler of Scorpio. Pluto is going to bethe modern ruler of Scorpio, and like Isaid,I do see this working, you know, manyyears of experience and many readingsand my own observation of life.

Being a Scorpio, I canhave personal referencesto understanding Pluto, butdon't take my word for it. Let's, let'ssee what this relationship is about andhow do we determine this rulership?

So, let's understandwhat Mars is about, and let's understandwhat Pluto is about, and take it fromthere.

So,if we look at it astronomically,it's interesting that the two planets, and yes, Pluto is a dwarf planet,so that's a new category.Um, I, I'm fine with that. I'm not one ofthose who.

Struggle with Pluto being demoted. Idon't think it's a demotion. I just thinkit's a classification.And the truth is, all the dwarf planets,Pluto,How Mia, Makimaki, heiressand Sedna, and so forth,all really operate on the Shadow level.So, there's something that reallyastrologically brings them together.There's a thread,they, they kind of complement this,kind of under the surface edge of thesolar system.

Um, qualities of exposingthe heart truths,that being said, uh, of all planets, Plutois reddish, and Mars is red, red.And that's interesting, just saying, uh,doesn't prove anything, but these othertwo red planets of the solar system,Mars is rocky, as are all the personalplanets, and Pluto has a rocky core. IMean, they say 50 percent of Pluto isactually rock, and then there's a gas.

Um, layer on top of it,which is interesting because it's goingto be very different from, uh, thecomposition ofthe other Neptune,Uranus, Saturn, and Jupiter.

It's interesting that Mars, you know,is the last planet on the edge of theasteroid belt, so we have Mars, then wehave a whole thousands of asteroid, andthen,way beyond that, Jupiter,and Pluto.

It isin the Kuiper belt.So, it's also this kind ofbelt ofyou know, multiple bodiescirculating at the edge of the universe,andyou know, notice my language – Mars isclosest to the asteroid belt, Pluto is theclosest in the Kuiper belt. So, of all thedwarf planets residingin the Kuiper belt and the Oort cloud,All these outer edges,uh, region of the solar system, Pluto isactually the closest to Neptune.

Not only that, you know, part of thereason why Pluto isstill associated with rulership of thesolar system is that maybebecause it crosses Neptune's orbit, andit actually spans,you know,um, a few years,um,closer to the Sun than Neptune is.For us, in our generation, this happenedwhenPluto was in Scorpio,and more precisely, from 1979 to 1999.Pluto was faster than Neptune, closerto the Sun.So,um,nothing you know to prove about that,just interesting observations.Um, so what does that mean, you know? Let'slook at the natural structure of theZodiac,so Mars obviously rules Aries.

All astrologers agree on that.Um, and what is Aries about?It's the first sign of the zodiac,so it marks a beginning.But the beginning of what, right?It's always a question in a circle:Is there really a beginning, or anAnd?Um, there is relative to our existence ofEarth, because if we look at this division,Ariesis the point of thetropical zodiac wherethe Sunpath meets.The equator of the Earth path—that'swherethat's where we have the equinox point.So Aries and Libra representthat time of balance between day andnight.Um,21st of March.

22nd of September,so it is a beginning of the beginning ofwhat.If we be, if we understand that Ariesrepresents those Equinox point, and welook at it from us, an astronomical point of view,Aries is alwayspoints to the east.

Well, Libra always points to the west.That's part of what Gemini refersto as thedirectional zodiac.So,Cancer is always north. Capricorn isalways south. Aries east,and Libra west.And the eastern pointon this planet is the point where,everything rises because of the spin ofthe planet of Earth.

So, there's a natural, uh, development thathappens, and thenthe Equinox point, and if we look at thewheel,Of this also marks the first house, so inmy cosmology, astrocosmology,signs do relate to houses,so the first house does relate toAries.

So,what is it about once again?Aries is the birth.Birthing ourselves. This is when the babyexits the wounds and makes thefirst physical effort to separate,fromits mother.

So, there is a point of ripeness whereindividual life begins,as the fusion between the fetus and themother is now complete.

The baby becomes more autonomous,and increasingly more autonomous as itwill,you know,make decisions. I mean, first start tocrawl, and to walk, and to run, and tospeak.And then make autonomous decisions.

So, that first house in Aries,everywhere Mars in our chart representsthat need to take charge of our destiny.Where is that energy coming from? Becauseas the baby separates,and becomes autonomous, it begins toinvest, expand, tremendous amounts ofenergy. When the baby's in the womb, thebaby is supportedby the nutrition that the motherprovides. You know, it's a verypassive state of receiving.

So, the moment the baby becomesstand on their own,they need to also generate a tremendousamount of energy to be able to get foodand get their life together and leadtheir lives. So, Mars not only representsthat need to become but also the energysupply,thatum is available and where is it comingfrom?Food, air, oxygen.

Um, nutrition in general, and then maybeother things,which we can talk about.But what I would like to highlight hereis, um,Mars represents our battery, our supplyof energy. This is why typical Ariespeople are the go, go, go, do, do, do. Theyare the active; they're present, theactive principle because they representthe fact that if you don't do, you maydie.

[Music]Um,there is that memory that I'm not in thewomb anymore, and I cannot rely onanybody.So, Mars not only providesyour energy supplies, but it's the mostprimalself-preservation instinct.You know, we all rely on our parents whenwe are young, and then when we're old, we rely on ourkids.

But as the baby exits the womb, you know,they are still dependent on their parent,but that dependence decreases with time.So there is a support systemwhich is the Cancer Capricorn Square.But,progressively,um, thethe baby, the child, the adolescent, theyoung adult,develops more and more capacity to takecare of themselves and to not rely on, ontheir parents or anybody else.

So that is part of the Harris principle.Why, why, why do we need to leave thiswomb? I mean, let's face it, it is morecomfortable, it is safer. We don't have towork so hard, and most importantly, therisks of harmareless. I mean,Let's generalize this, that inthe case where the mother is healthy andand she is taking good care of herself, pregnancy, and embryo.

Butthere is still an impulse to separateeven in the best-case scenario whereumyou know, we have a very healthy anduneventful pregnancy.

Why is that?Nine months,so we examine the fact that the 12thhouseyou know, captures thisuniverse, orum, where we all come from.

So, there's the mother womb, which islunar, and there's theuniversal,which is Neptune. You know, there'sanother correlationwith Neptune.

So, in the 12th house, we are in thatpassive womb state,where we receive everything from theuniverse. We receive light, oxygen,food, rain.Everything is provided for us, and thisIs why Piscean people, 12 House people,are usually trusting,because they trustthat you know things will be provided,that there is Divine Providence, and thatyou don't need to fight. You don't needto be aggressive to get things done.

So there is a natural state ofreceptivity,which then shiftswhen we get into the first house.

And that first house represents thatstate of urgency, where on the one handwe are born, and it's exciting, but on theother hand,we are,um,having to fight for ourselves. We can'tjust rely on our mothers to do the work.So, I'd like toillustrate this Aries dynamic by thebaby turtles hatchingfrom their egg, and thenimmediately have to start running, have to start going to reach the ocean.

That really captures this essence ofAries, whereon the one hand, you know you arepiercing the egg, you are breaking theshell and leaving the safe environmentof the egg or the womb, but then you arevulnerable to predators immediately, andwe, as humans, have the privilege to bestill very vulnerable,and depending on our parents,but some animals have to be born running,and the turtledoes not have any contact with theirmother.

They will never meet their mother, sothey're on their own from day one, prettymuch; and that's an extreme of Ariesenergy, and so they have to cross fromthose sandy shores to the oceanto make that first, uh, journey to safety.

And, and, obviously, the ocean is not thatsafe; they could also be preyed upon byuh,marine predators.

This captures basically the intensity ofsurvival and that self-preservationinstinct that Mars and Aries represent. Now,think of that energy in your own chart,where Mars, coding—you know—the messagethat you hear from Mars is neverever to give up.Lifeis more important than anything.So,this is the place in you where whateverhappens to you,you will fight to be able to surviveanother day. And it, you know, in the mostbasic ways, is you being careful tolook left and right when you cross thestreet because you don't want to die.Or it's you making sure that you, youknow you're fed and you're—as a baby—gonna find the breast and the nipple, uh,to get nutrition.All the things that you are going to doand develop to guarantee.

That you are surviving, that you'remaking it. Obviously, Mars is in aconstant, you know, it's pushing us forconstant development and development ofour strength, power. If we look at theturtles or any animal,the ones that remain passive, you know, ifthat turtle is hatching, andbasically waiting there on the sandybeach, it will be eaten.

Look at a litter ofkittens.You have the veryum,proactive kitten who willgrab the nipple and we'll start suckling,you know, very, uh, passionately,when the other kitten is notfighting their way through and it'slagging behind,and graduallynot getting enough nutrients, and youknow, not having as much milk supply, andthen becoming weaker,and that can lead, if it's not rectified,To really, a decrease of vitality and a weakening immune system than parasites,you know, take advantage of that.

So, Marsis a constantreminder and a constantstate of awakening. Every morning, whenyou wake up and you open your eyes, it's a Marsmoment.And then you get going.

When you go back to sleep, you are in aNeptune zone. So, that interplay betweenpassive, activesurrendering to sleep,waking up to your day—are all that interplay between Mars andNeptune, opposite, complete opposite intheir nature. And the question remainswhy?

Can't we sleep all day? Why can't we stayin the womb forever?And I mean, not just the mother's womb,but the cosmic womb. You know, what if weCould relyon what is naturally provided withouthavingtoum to separate from each other to becomeautonomous, to fight for our food,and that is the fairy story of theGarden of Eden, because the Garden ofEden represents that passive state of awomb-like reality, where Adam and Eve arevery naive, and they just are, they don'tneed totake action, they don't need to be, theysimplyreceive what is provided byGod, the Universe,um, without any effort.

And so, at some point, the snake comes in,and theyquote-unquote sin is thatthey make a decision,that is an autonomous decision,which is very Aries-like, you know, it'sthe decision to eat the forbidden fruit.Nobody said it was an apple.

Um, and so that forbidden fruitis basically the beginning of curiosityand the beginning of independentthinking, not taking things for granted anymore.

Adam and Evedid not just passively obey anymore,and that moment marks the moment wherethey leave the womb, they leave paradise,and they have to nowuh, fend for themselves and experiencechallenges and even hardships.

So, that is Aries, because the moment youleave the womb, the moment you're born,um, nothing is taken for granted anymore.

The supply ofall that was provided isis work. You have to work for it. You haveto reach the nipple, you have toum, get enough nutrients, and then you haveto go to school, you have to get a job.

You have to pay the rent. All thesethings that require effort, strategy,thought, intelligence, and action.

So, that Mars of ours keeps us alive. ItIs that force that will powerto keep going,because I go back to the question,why do you wake up every day?

It's Mars to begin with. Mars is theignition of the engine.It's the ignition of your consciousnessof that engine.

So,basically, Mars is you starting to thinkfor yourself and you wanting to conductthe wheel to drive your own destiny, andnot just be led by the currents.Not only be going with the flow, you know.Somethere's a say that says only dead fishgo with the flow.And there's something very true aboutthat.Um,you can use, you can, you can surf thewave. You still have to navigate the wave,and think about the salmon, you know,going upstream, climbing waterfalls.

To reproduce, and that's part of their cycle.So, there are times when we can bein a passive state and minimizeefforts to use nature to ease on ourlabor, buteven when we do that, we have to do itconsciously. It requires thought, strategy, cooperation.We're not, but driftwood.So, your self-preservation instinctis a lot, a lot, a lot of work,a lot, a lot, a lot of energy.

Life would be much easier if we stayedin the womb, and this is why, in everypossible, uh, religious system, spiritualsystem,you know there's this yearning to goback to God, and this yearning to, uh,transcend the material plane and go backto the spiritual plane, because thematerial plane is hard. It's full offriction, and that's the beginning whereMars realizes, I'm in this material plane.

I am.

Separate, and because I'm separate, Idon't haveaccess to all the resources the way Iused to,but the truth is,there is no way back to the womb.

So all our spiritual systems thatencourage us to go backare maybe misleading us.

There's a reason why we're being born.There's a reason why we left Paradise.And one of the reasons is love.

Interesting.Wait a minute, isn't Mars the warrior?In Mars, about self-preservation, isn'tMars, you know,fighting, and hunting, andbeing aggressive,all these things, absolutely, because Marshas to do with labor,with doing,and it means that it has to take chargeof its own destiny,and that's a responsibility.

Say part of the reason why we were bornis love.Yes,the tremendous amount of work that isrequired of usto stay alive and to, and to create and, andreproduce.

And, and make sure that not only wesurvive, but that our children willsurvive, which is the next fire sign, Leo.Making sure there's continuity.Wait a minute.

Leo squares Scorpio.Scorpio is death,and Leo trines Aries.Aries is the beginningof the spark of life, the ignition of theengine, the ignition of consciousness.

So, having children is part of thateffort to make sure that wetranscend death, that we are not gonnadie. Even if we die, our childrencarry the torch.

Talk about fire.The fire, the torch, is passed on to theNext generation,so we start to see that interrelationbetween these different archetypes,and why love?

That's because the fire principle is theprinciple of participation.It means you are here on this Earth inthis life, in this existence, as an activeparticipant, and you contribute to thecreation.So,as aggressive as you need to be,as intense as you need to be, as guardedand, andyou know, all the fighting that isrequired is actually on the deepestlevel. It's an act of love,because it has everything to do withworking hard to be here, working hardto make sure that life goes on.

It would have been, again, much easier tobe to remain in the Piscean state ofbliss,a passive state of being that doesn'trequire the drama.

You know, the moment you're born and youstart pushing, that's when you start tocry. It gets loud, it's full of drama, andups and downs, and risks, and and losses,and victories. And you know, the curveof emotions spikes and drops.

Whereas from a Neptunian point of view,in the womb, it's all even and still.And we have to ask ourselves, youknow, why do we do all this?It's because,on a deep level, we love life,and we commit to make life happen, and tokeep life going.

And the participation in the process oflife is fire.

This is why,um,on a deep level, the fire principle, Leo,represents the heart. It's the love. It'sa lion heart, you know. All this hasnothing to do with romantic love perse, you know. It's not about being horny,it's not about romance per se. It's aboutthe romance of life; it's aboutthe meaning.

That we give the purposes, the intention,the love of life, and if you love life,then you love everything that lives.You love everything.

So, on a deeper level,this struggle to beand the effort that we invest, and thereason why we wake up every day,is because we care.

So,the momentyou care about something, you'repassionate, you want to do it, you believein it, and you have so much energy.

Think about how we often associate energywith practical things such as oxygen,water,and uh, food.

But, and that's oxygen is air, and wateris water, and food is Earth.But where is the fire energyfrom the Sun?

Right,it's the energy of love. It's the energyof passion when you're passionate about.

Something you forget to eatand you can go on and on for hoursjust on inspiration fuel.So Mars is not only the hunter who needsto,you know, kill in order to feed,but it is also uh that willpower that isin itself a battery.

In itself,providing light and resource, and thatcombustion,um, that generates fuel and energy.So the motivation to existkeeps the fire going,keeps the fire lit.

It's interesting,another interesting symbolism in theJewish tradition, where they celebrateHanukkah, which is a celebration of light.You know,when,uh, the Jews were hiding from theconquerors,and they only had one candle,and that candle ended up staying lit for a whole week, even though he didn'thave enough fuel to burn, and it should have.

Gone out, you know, in a few hours it stayed lit, and it kept them going,and that was, you know, that celebrated during the Sagittarius season, which is afire sign. But it's all about that, you know,the fire is about keeping the flame burning.As long as the flame is burning, thereislight, and that's why also the fire signs,particularly Leo, also represent eyesight.

The ability to see, because lightgives you vision.If you're in the dark, you don't seeanything.So, night vision, you know, is the moon, butday vision is the Sun.That's why all Leos wear glasses. Youknow, quite often, you Leo suffer from badeyesight. Interestingly,it's, it's part of their lesson. Eyesight,um,going back toAries and Marsthat motivation to keep going isis, on the one hand, the need to be theneed to define yourself. I am Maurice, Iam here for this and that purpose. Theseare the skills that I have. So, everythingthat is particular to you, just like inastrology, we look at your day, our placeof birth to see you. There's no chartthat is exactly like yours. It's nevergoing to repeat exactly the same way.

So, there's something about thatuniqueness,which differentiates you from everyother thing, every other person.The only person that is going to be youknows, share the same shot, is the one bornon the same second, at the same place asyear, and that can happen. But then thereare other factors to differentiate anddiscriminate,but from aMars point of view,your contribution is going to be yours.It's unique. And so, all of us, through ourMars energy, our first house energy, weare here to discover who we are and whatwe're here to do, what is this life about?

Why was I born?And then,as you figure that out gradually, it'salso how to get there.And then, it's also how to not die beforeI complete my journey.

So that wholething about not giving up and, andplugging in and waking up another day inanother step, and, and developing newpowers, new capacities,um, to think, to do, to achieve, to overcome.

So, you develop through your Mars energy,through your first house energy, youdevelop your powers,your willpower.It is boosting your immune system,and you,you know, you become a better astrologer,you become a better cook, you become abetter hunter, you become a better, this, abetter that, to basically manifest yourDestiny,you're in charge of your destiny.

So, as you fulfill your destiny, you areableto contribute to life, to the greatgreater scheme of things. So, youcontribute to that Neptunian ideal ofcollective well-being.

So,all thatyou know, rage to be,is going to, uh,uh,represent. Mars represents that need toface resistance. You know, it's likenothing is taken for granted. Food is notgoing to be provided for free. You haveto work for it,andyou have to prevail against contrarianwins against scarcity. One of the laws ofthe universe is that,yes, nature provides everything,but nothing isinfinite.

Everything can end,so in winter, you may not have enough food.If you know there's a bad crop, you won't be fat,and if you don't hunt properly,you won't be fat.So, even though nature provides all our tools,light, and oxygen,it doesn't guarantee our survival.And that's the hard work.

So, wherever our Mars is,and if you want to get deeper into it,I'm going to mention, uh, the Mars Workshopoffered on my website.Uh, go to astrology studies by topic,and so there's a wholeworkshop about each Mars in each sign,how it operates.But here, we're working on the principlesof Mars.

Great, you know we made it.Every day is a victory.Every day that we're still alive,we can celebrate.We did not die today.

Our intelligence, ourability to navigate our life theright way kept us goingone more day,and so we continue our journey. And likeI said,Mars can cooperate, you know, whereveryour Mars is, is your strategy to stayalive. To keep your fire lit,anywhere.

If you have Mars in Libra, your strategyto survive is to cooperate,to form alliances.If Mars is in Pisces, your strategy tosurvive is to camouflage,to know how to retreat and when toretreat.

Your strategy to survive with Mars inAries is to charge.You know, make yourself big and scarepeople, scare your predator away.So each Mars has its own magic, its ownweapon, so to speak, and its own goals.So, there's no good Mars or bad Mars.

Know, that's all like,I don't know how to call it, but it,we have to respect every placement forthe genius that it brings and theintention that it brings,and so we progress like this, you know.

Through our Taurus and Gemini and Cancer,and we have kids, and we make sure thatthey are going to beup to task. That's why we want to begood parents.

And then, in the sixth house,you know, weare really the experts, the master,uh, the Virgo, and the sixth house has to dowith not only a strategy to survive, but ourstrategy to function and to produce, andto harvest. So, the sixth house is theHarvest of our hard work. Not only, youknow, when we see the symbol of, uh, Virgo, it isthe wheat.

So, that's the harvest of all the food,but it's also the harvest of our efforts,and it's how we get things done. That's whyThere's a very deep interconnectionbetween Virgo and Aries.

And again, some will say, but they arequincongs, and there's no connection.You know, it's a different element. It's adifferent mode. But Virgoand Ariesare thesigns that represent achievement.Or, more accurately, it's the signs thatrepresent getting things done.Very proactive, and that's why mostathletesneed Virgo-Aries combination. Mars inVirgo,um, Aries, Virgo planets. If you want to bea good athlete, usuallyyou know, a good dose of those will helpyou,because it's physical. It's physicalcapacity. So you reach that place, youknow, in the sixth house where things aredone, and your life functions, and you'rehealthy. And if you're not healthy, youKnow how to fix it; you know it's you,know how to manage things; you'reprepared.

Virgo, you know what to do when there's acrisis.Then comesthe seventh house,the Libra,and that's when you discover thatautonomy has its limitations.

You realize thatyou cannot grow all the crops; you cannotdo everything.And you start to realize thatyou unifying, uniting with otherswill give you an advantage.And nature is designed in such a waythat we cannothave childrenalone.

I mean, I know today there's sometechnology, insemination, and maybe comingup artificial rooms,butif we look at things from an archetypalPoint of view, there's a reason whythere's male and female to complementeach other.

So, the male realizes that they cannotget pregnant, and the femalerealizes that they need to be inseminated.

And that's the beginning of cooperation,in order for our species to continue.

There is a need for cooperation,and so, through Libra, we go through thishumbling lesson ofOkay, I need to make some compromises. Ineed to include someone else in my game,and I need to create alliances.

So that I can gofurther,becausefrom Ariesto Virgo, you've accomplished a lot.

You have harvested your field, you know,you grew your crop, and you tended to it,andit's all going great.

But then,like we said, you reach the point whereThere are things you cannot grow, and youneed them, and there are things youcannot do, and you need them.

And that's the beginning of cooperation.That's the beginning of getting outsideof yourself.And through the Libra energy, the Libraphase of existence,you are basicallyhow to put it,Um,you're looking around, you know, you'reyou're glancing and seeing what'savailable, and you're making connections.

Right?So,you meet several people, and you see whatare you lacking? What is it that peopleoffer that you don't have?Then you start to negotiate, you start toflirt, you start toconnect, and there needs to be anexchange,becausehow will you know that someone's not?

Going to eat you.How will you know that someone's not going to take advantage of you?You need them.They need to need you, so there's a needto create a situation where there'sa mutual dependence.In order to feel safe in a relationship,that's how you create peace when yourealize thatI'm more worth to you being alive thandead.

You know, I can be one meal and that'sover. But if you keep me alive,I can provide much more. And that's howyou, you elevate your value. Venus in theeyes of other people, so that you cantrade with them. Second house, seventhhouse. Venus,your resources,and they, their resources.And then comes the eighth house,and then comes thatvery challenging phase, because whathappens in the eighth house is thatYou come to an end,that's why it represents death.

So, you're Mars energy that kept yougoing,doing surviving,is reaching the Eighth House,and it's a point of exhaustion.

You know, in a simple way, you run out offuel,and you get to that situation whereall your powersare diminished.And that is why you make that commitmentto bond with another, because you realizenot onlythat it would be fun to exchangeresources with others, but it's a survivalimperative.

If you do not bond, if you do not connect,you won't survive; you will die.

So, that Eighth House is some kindof realizationthat you're not invincible,that you're not omnipotent,that you could lose.

Things you could lose: your crop,your health,and you could lose your support system.That pushes youto start looking for a solution. If Icannot anymore rely on myself only,I need to start making these connections.It's a water sign, Scorpio, and as a water sign,it exposes your vulnerabilities.And through the Eighth House,you see how vulnerable you are,and you seethat you could, you know,that you're immortal and not omnipotent.

And,you know, on a personal level, you feelthat it's the end ofyour Ariescycle.So part of the reason why Marsco-rules Scorpio is that it's thebeginning and the end of Mars.In a way.

Andyou know, why do we, why do we feel sodepleted there?Basically, you know, the eighth house isthe housewhere we needto realizethat whatever has served us up to thispoint is not enough anymore to keep usgoing.

So, you, you start to realize that allyour skills, all that you havetook you this far.Andit could be the end of your journey, sothere's a risk ofending it there.

But if we look at the wheel, there's apotential for more. You could potentiallygo much further.

So, Pluto is the firstgateway to this transpersonal reality.That's why we're starting with the PlutoMars pair,because even though Pluto, you know, uh,in the solar system, is the farthest away.

In our astrology wheel, it's the firstencounter with an outer planet,and thatgate to transformationthe firstinitiation into the rights ofmetamorphosis of transpersonal awareness.

Begins with Scorpio,and so, when you reach the end of yourrope,that can happenevery time you have a Mars-Plutoaspect encounter.

Maybe now some of you, you know, in thisperiod of time, reach a point where youcannot keep going the way you did.Whatever your strategy was,worked until now.It's not to be, uh,devalued, but it's just not enoughfor the next step.

And that's what Scorpio feels since theywere born, is not— I'm not enough.This is why, Scorpios usually have verychallenging beginnings.

You know, they can face rejection, theycan experience loss. They can be the oneyou know, who are notlooking good and attractive. And so, theyhave to kind ofdevelop a new set of skillsto overcome their limitations, toovercome the fact thatthey're not the pretty boy in theclassroom. They're not the tallest one.They're not the richest one, you know.They're not born with privilege. They'rebornnot feeling enough,andand so, that sense of tremendouslimitation is a do-or-die situation,where they realize that I couldgive up and resign myself to amiserable fate and be a reject,you know, be the one who's going to bebullied, be the one who's poor, be the onewho is succumbing to health problems.Or, I couldtransform.

And make up for thislack,and this is where Pluto kicks in. This iswhy Pluto rules Scorpio. Arc typicallybecauseMars has done its work. You cannot keepgoing with the same Mars.For another cycle or for the end of thecycle,Pluto comes in to say youwhoever you are, you know, and whoever youare, when you first started in your firsthouse,if you don't change, if you don't developa new awareness, if you don'tchallenge yourself and do the shadowwork,you are not going further. And that's theHades, you know, going to the underworld,where you are going to faceall your limitations, and you're going tofeel very small.All the victories that you thought wereunder your belt are not serving youanymore.

So that kind of sobering wake-up callthat lifeis not only aboutsurviving.

It's not just, it's not only about doing.That's the first realization, through theeighth house, that life is aboutdeveloping your consciousness.

So, you ignited your consciousness withAries and Mars, and boom, you open youreyes.Went through your thing, did what youneeded to do, and thenthere's a risk of your eyes again,shutting down into the darkness of theunderworld.

Where you realize, oh my God, I'm impotent.I can'tovercome this Pluto monster.

And yet, Pluto comes with this hardmedicine that says, if you develop yourconsciousness,if you start asking questions, if you areready to change,you can get a second lease.

You will get a boost,you will jump startyour life.So,if you haveVenus Pluto,that's going to be a relationship.

Your relationships are going to gothrough a phase where it's the end,you run your, you ran your course, andunless you transformand do the shadow work,your relationship will die.

So, Pluto provides Mars with regenerativepowers,with the ability to take the initialMars, the starting point,and give it a turbo engine.

But to get that turbo engine,something needs— you need to shape shift.

You need to shift your values; you needto shift whatever is in your Scorpio,corner,or whatever is in your eighth house, orwhatever is in aspect to Pluto.

Sooner or later, you're facing the endand it's change or die.So,that's why, yes, the eighth house could bethe end of the rope, and that's whyyou're experiencing your own mortalitythere.And quite often, what happens tothe eighth house, is that we're not dying,but we're seeing other people die.

You know, we could lose a best friend, wecould lose a job, we could lose somethingthat makes us realize, oh my God,I thoughtI was going to get a bonus this year, andhere, I'm about to be fired.

Oh my God, you know, my friend was just 30years old, and boom,life takes them.So, you suddenly experience those endings,those losses,that reflect back on you and your ownvulnerability.

And then, that gets you going. We all knowthat acknowledging death is veryhumbling.

But acknowledging death alsomakes you understandit's not a free ride, and the risks arereal, and you have to get your acttogether.So, that Eighth House transformation iswhere you go to the end of your rope, andyou feel so small, and you feel like noone wants you anymore.

Um,you don't have the resources to keepgoing.Until the magic happens,until the butterfly,you know, the caterpillar is basicallyentering this phase and acceptingto change.

And they get a secondlease. They get now wins, not just a newlease, because that's the Pluto medicine.

That is, on the one hand, it takes youdown.It depletes you.You feel like a loser,but through the transformation, you rise.

Above the place you descend from,so you realize there's much more to you than you thought,and so the Pluto transformation takes you beyond your original Mars.It gives you extra Powers,extra intelligence,extra Vitality.It boosts your immune system,and you become a superior human.

And that's why you know Jupiter follows that,and you feel all happy in your Jupitarian phase because you're high.After having transformed,you feel again that the sky's the limit.I can go there.I can do all these things.I'm not dead yet,so the euphoria of Jupiter follows that,and that is why Pluto is the higher octave of Mars.And that is why Pluto

Is the ruler of Scorpiobecauseit adds that additional valueto the original Mars,but why is Mars then co-ruling Scorpio?

Because, in a way, Plutogives birth to a new Mars in the EighthHouse.

So there's,uh, an upgraded Mars that comes out ofthat Pluto. You know, you get a new engine,you're more conscious, you're moreintelligent. You're not just,you know,the kid you used to be,and you're then, you know, continuing yourjourney into the transpersonal world ofJupiter, then Saturn, and Uranus, andNeptune. These are the upper worlds whereyou neededthat boost of consciousness throughScorpio, that gateway, because what youlearn from Sagittarius to Pisces?

Is higher knowledge. You're not justsurviving anymore. You are looking atlife from a holistic perspective. You'reunderstanding the greater meaning thatare unifying everybody. It's not justabout surviving, reproducing, eating, andyou know, breeding and dying. Yourealize the added value,the higher spiritualtruth of our existence. So, through thatPluto, you know, Pluto basically was thegateway to give youum,open the channels that will serve youin those transpersonal realms. Andwhat this means is that the work now isnot only a work ofphysical endurance,andyou know, building houses and growingfood on your field. Now, it's the work onyourself, the work on your consciousness.

You are reaching these finer vibrationsofthe soul's evolution.

You're moving beyond the material realmto connect the spiritual with thematerial through 9, 10, 11, 12 houses search toPisces.

Let's examine some of the key conceptshere.Empowerment.So, Mars and Pluto have everything to dowith empowerment and potency. You know, wetalked about howum,you get enough fuel when you're born,and you feel powerful. You know, as thebaby pushes out, it's victory. They madeit. We can cut the core,and then you, you experience rejection.

You experience defeat.So, the Mars Pluto will take you throughthese experiences where your Mars energyis challenged.And so, you can go through a risk of lowself-esteem and impotence.

I can't do anything.Whatever I do fails, you know, whatever IPlant dies.

All the projects I'm starting arefailing so that Mars Pluto can createthat sense ofimpotence.You're exhausting your personal resource,you run out of money.You risk crashing. You risk your death.You are in dire need to regeneratesomehow, so examine all these lifesituations, whereas you're the end ofyour rope.

And unless somethingtransforms you, you know that Dark Night ofthe Soul, when you go deep underground,and you feel that it may be the end,but then you get the insight. Somebodycomes in and helps you.You areallowing yourself to step outside ofyour pride of your attachments.

You're ready to relinquish the old you,and you can regenerate.Also, sexual transformation, you know,sexuality has to do with creativity.

People who have Mars-Pluto interplays,or when we go through a Mars-Pluto transit,we, on the one hand, can feel incrediblysexually potent. You know, Mars is sexualpotency in both male and female.But when you have Mars-Pluto, you can gothrough sexual crises,and the crisis can simply be thatyour sex life is draining you.

It's not real.You know, you're justmechanical about it.So, it can be a loss of meaning,it could be a rejection that yourpartner feels like,you're not enough,and they cheat on you or they want toopen the marriage,because they're not, you know, fullysatisfied.

And sometimes it's you,sometimes it's not you. You know,sometimes there aremany scenarios of why this happens, butusually, this will happen to the Mars inScorpio person to the Mars Pluto personthat's why I correlate Mars in Scorpiowith Mars plodo aspectand you'll see that in the examples Ibring so you can face sexual rejectionyou know you're you're not attractiveanymore, the fire, the passion died.

but then,you know, Pluto Mars people can gothrough periods of purging,that means periods of celibacy, periodswhere they abstain from sex, and you think,wait,they will not be sexual,absolutely. They gothrough phases wherethey need to rethinksex. They are in this place oflimitation, and sex becomes toxic.

And unless they detach from it, purge it,and regenerate,it's not working.

And there could, of course, be alsophysical issues, you know, diseases orum erectile dysfunction.

Accidents, you know, all kinds of thingscould happen, where the person has toquestiontheir sexuality and, from a Plutonianpoint of view, transform their sexuality.

But deep down, the Mars-Pluto people—other Shadow work people, which meansthat they are the change makers, they—theycannot look the other way. They cannotavoid problems— their problemsor the world problems. They are theactivists. They are the change makers. Theyare the ones who are going to marchto protest.

They are going to be the agents ofchange on a societal level.

The risk isthat, as they destroy, you know, what isobsolete, and they're looking forthat transformation.

Sometimes, they cango too far,and that'sanother part ofyou know, a potential rage or theWrong motivation,where there is a risk of irreparabledamage.

So sometimes, with Mars and Pluto, let's say,you have Mars in your seventh house,and you're going through thistransformation in your relationships,but in some cases, you know, it doesn'tregenerate; it's dead.

And maybe, it's a good thing that youkill a relationship,but if you keep killing all therelationships, you have to ask yourself,Am I regenerating? Or am I justburning the Earth? You know, scorching theEarth, scorching people,so that kind of dragon energy ofyou know, radical destructionuh,is not always productive.

So, when you have Mars and Pluto in action,you have intensity, chance of regeneration,confrontation of shadow, anger, and rage,and it's a constant battle for life,meaning to battle.

To support life, to enhance life,sorry, let's look at some examplesand examine the cycle. So, the last timewe had a conjunction was March 2022.Now, what was really relevant during thattime was to look at Venus. Venus was alsoright there, and you had this triple conjunction. Now,the critical thing is thatMars, Venus, and Pluto were the rulersof the notes of the time.

So, then coming together,of course, would have beensome kind of major catalystfor a crisis, for a limitation, forsomething that makes us realize wecannot keep going that way.

And that's whenthe Ukraine War startedwith Russia.

Now,what's, you know, what happened duringThis war,you know, you havePutin, who feels cornered by NATO and theUkraine wanting to join NATO, and ofcourse, he has his own vision ofthe Glorious Empire of Russia, that is nolongerand so, he is exerting his willpower, andhe meets, you know, this very resilientdefense.

Suddenly,you know, the Ukrainefinds resources, you know, they’re, they’reat the risk of extinction. They're therisk of being devoured by someentity, you know, the big monster, andthey're taken down, you know, they are nowin their underworld journey, andsomething needs to changefor them to regenerate.

The same thing with Putin, you know, fromhis Mars-Pluto point of view, he thoughtthis was going to be accessible—it's, it'smine to take.And he realizes that he is risking.

Everything, his risk losing everything.You know, his credibility is down the drain.He is, you know, wasting people's lives.It's a, you know, it's a very humbling experience for Putin,where he recognizes his mortality.He recognized he may not make it,so he's, he's in that underworld as well.And both need to face the shadows,and both need, in order to regenerate, theyneed to talk to Pluto,harness their power,and regenerate somehow.

And, of course, on a global level, uh, spikeof price, you know, food prices going up.You know, the economy isterribly unstable, and the resources arenot as accessible.Um, and then now we are at a point of ourposition.

So, that's the first time sincethat conjunction, that Pluto and Mars are nowat their climax.And it can be a turning point, as far asThat shadow work, and I've spoken aboutthis in previous videos. Thisopposition is right on Zelinski's Mars.

At zero Leo, so he's having a Mars returnas it opposes Pluto. So, will he get thatsecond lease? Will he get, you know, thatability to conquer,you know, to get out of the shadow, to re-resurrect, to re-emerge fromthe deep,and, for all of us, you know, wehave to see where we're at with ourlives, what house this is in, where canwhere are we possibly feeling thoselimitations? This sense of depletion, thesense of impotence is feeling thatuh, things cannot continue the way theyare—that it's a do or die situation.

So, in some ways, if we speak globally andwe speak personally,maybe the two entities will realize, inall humility,that they need to startnegotiating. You know, they need to do theAquarius work Pluto and Aquariusyou know fight with words not withmissiles.

Who knows?We can hope then.Next year, 2024, Pluto and Mars meet again, and Venus is alsoback at that 27 degree where theprevious conjunction was. But this time,the Pluto-Mars is at zeroAquarius.

Just as Pluto enters Aquarius,Mars joins, and so it's the exactopposite degree that we're having now.So, you get it if you have planets atzero fixed.You're in it for a ride.And going back to Zielinski, his Mars isat zero Leo, which means he's going to have theopposition.And he's going to have the conjunctionopposing him tomorrow's next year.And his sunis five degrees Aquarius.

So all of us with planets at zero fixedare in a Mars Pluto cycle ofwhere our potency, our willpower, ourcapacity to overcome challenges, oursense of self,are, are,will, how to put it,our ability to win the dayis going to be in question,and if we don'treally do deep soul work,we may lose a lot,but if we do the soul work,we can rise to a much higher level.

You know, it can be that upgrade,ofyou know, the Phoenix rising from theflame and becoming this magnificentuh, superbird.

Interesting examples, you know. One of ouruh, astrological heroes, Dane Rudhyar, wasborn with Mars Pluto conjunct,in Gemini, the sixth house.Andhe, you know, was an Aries to begin with.

So, Mars is very important, and he alsohad, you know, uh,Saturn and Uranus in Scorpio.This Mars-Pluto is in the sixth house,and one of the things he experienced isa near-death experience because of herhealth issue. He had dysfunctionalkidneys,sohe had to go, you know, he had to have anoperation, surgery when he was a teenager.And so, his vitalitywas affected by this condition. Thinkabout Mars-Pluto, vitality, and kidneys.

Typically, Libra, but adrenals that sit onthe kidneys are Aries and Mars.So, ourvitality is immediately linked to thekidneysand the adrenals.And so, he had to constantly now managehis energies, how much to sleep, how muchwhat to eat, you know, be on this superdiligent regimen to monitor his energy levels.So, think how Mars-Pluto, that is, that hisRisk of death and his risk of depletionis constant, and yet he lived a long life.

And he became this super prolific writer,Gemini,producing extraordinary work.But the interesting thing is that notonly you know what motivated him towrite is that he was one of the agentsof changein the world of astrology.

He first of all left his natal land ofFrance and emigrated to the United States,so that's a transformation, also.But then he,um, you know, his motivation, his, hiskind oftransformational power was that hebrought humanistic astrology to thetable, breaking away from a deterministicfatalistic type of astrology that wasused mostly until, you know, until the18th century.So, through the theosophicalsociety and his own research.

He developed this humanistic approachthat has everything to do with Mars,Pluto,which basically has to do withthe transformation of consciousness. Youknow, he was the pioneer behindevolutionary astrology. You know, he's thethe concepts of evolutionary astrologyemerged from his body of knowledge.

So,speaking about how consciousnesscan change your fate.You know, if you do the work oftransformation, Mars and Pluto, you can useyour chart to a higher level. You canovercome the devilities, thedifficult aspects of your chart, andrise to a higher level of expression.

So, that's a reallyinteresting concept. Of course, Neptune isthere on the angles.

Another interesting example, you know,Angelina Jolie was born with a Mars Plutoopposition.In the ninth,Third houseandshe went through herjourney ofpotency and impotence.

You know, she used to be very darkand very intense as a young actressand young lady.She lost, you know,many of her female figures of her family to cancer,which was, you know, the Moon is rightnext to that Mars, Pluto.

But you know, she went through her darknight of the soul. She went through, youknow, marriages where, I, what was his name?Billy.Billy Bob Thorne, something like that. Oneof the actors, and they used to, you know,suck blood in front of the cameras, uh, asa stunt.

And so she was kind of thisvery, uh,confrontational and, andplay with darkness, very plutonian, uh,character.

And then, you know, she went through herown transformation and became suddenlythis agent of change.

She became the ambassador of goodwilland she traveled the world for a goodcause. She became the activist,andas an activist, she's, you know, she wantedto adopt children, and she adopted herfirst child, Maddox,um, who himself is a Mars-Plutodude.

So, he's Mars-Pluto opposite Saturn, right?

On her natal Sun, Neptune,Son, his children, Neptune, adoption.

His Mars-Pluto transformation landsright on that,and see the correlation between housesand signs. Her Mars is in the ninth house,He's Mars is inside,so that polarity of Gemini sad isrecaptured by her.

Ninth house, third house,and it obviously has to do with adoptingkids from different cultures.

But you know, Maddox is born with thisMars, Pluto, Saturn. You can see he wentthrough his own abandonment.You know,um,andas a Mars, Pluto in Sagittarius,you think he's gonna be outspoken.Just as much as his mom, if not more.It's opposing Saturn, so he's going toconfront authority. He's going to exposecorruption. You know, he is an angry dude,becausehe sees the shadows.

He sees the deceptions, the, you know,Sagittarius, where is the shadow?The, you know, the misguided truth. Now,where's Brad Pitt's son?

Anyway, Brad Pitt is a mid-Sagittarius,so that Mars, Pluto is right onBrad Pitt's son.And they,they went through their own intenserelationship,and I'm sure if she, she's also, you know,Learning to handle him, you know, MarsPluto kids.

They're going to,um,how to put it,they're going to confront their parents.You know, they're not going to take,they are going to be intense kids whowant the truth, who do not want sugarcoating,who want to be super honest.

And we're gonna get angry if,if they can't trust you.Another interesting example: Gandhi.Gandhi is born with Mars in Scorpio,opposing Pluto.You think he was a change maker?You think he had to go through his dark,night of the soul?He think he had totransform as this fancy lawyer, you know,taking the train in first class andbeing himself, a snob, being himselfracist,you know, speaking about black people asinferior whenHe is himself cornered and put on thespot and asked, you know, to move fromfirst class to theregular, uh, carrier.

He suddenly feels rejected. He suddenlyfeels impotent. He suddenly feels that hecannot defend himself against thisinjustice,and he's reduced to being a person ofcolor.

Get out of here, you don't belong withthe elite. You don't have a rightyou know to be, uh, with the white people.And thattakes him to a, you know,a cold shower, a terrible sense of defeat.

Butwhat ends upcooking inside is a revolution,and this prompts a whole movementofnot only his personal transformation butthe transformation of India.But most interestingly,from a very Mars-Pluto way in the firstHouse is that instead of destroying and usinga scorched Earth policy instead of usingviolence to retaliate and to justifyyou know his Revolution, he could haveyou know we would have understood iflike the French Revolution or you knowwhatever Revolution, it would get bloody,but in a very scorpionic way, in his owntransformation of consciousness andelevation of consciousness, he realizedthe best way to fight and to reach yourgoal is throughnon-violent protests.

How powerful that is.With Mars and Pluto here, you reallysee the essenceof transformation.

But interestingly, if you know alittle bit about his personal story, yousee Venus, Mars, seventh house. He had alot of issues with his sexuality.He had a lot of issueswith women, and he was a misogynistfor the most part, untilYou know, he went through his owntransformation,and he went through phases where herenounced sexuality. Mars Venus inScorpioasexuality,because he was purgingcenturies of incarnations of having sexualdesires control him.

So he neededto elevate his sexuality to bring moreconsciousness to asexuality, to transformit.So that it wouldn't become itself abeast that devours him.The greed of sexual appetite, you know,was overpowering.

So he needed the fast,um, another interesting example:Ronan, Pharaoh, and Woody Allen, both MarsPluto.So Woody Allen is born with a Mars-Plutooppositionin his fifth house. Moses, in his fifthhouse.

And you know, one of the things that we'reaware of is that there are allegationsof sexual abuseof his adoptive daughter, and he marriedanother adoptive daughter, and questionsaboutwhether you know this affair began whenshe was under eight. You know,So very much, this Mars Pluto, and he wasyou know, if we look at his personal life,this Mars Pluto definitely affected himas a kid, because he was not theyou know, the football team captain,he was this frail, anxious boy, probablybullied, probablyrejected, you know, not the pretty boy whowho gets, you know, all the girl'sattention.

And you know, in his own Mars Pluto way,he makes fun of his vulnerability, of hisneurotic behavior, and he created thesemasterpiecesof cinema and script writing,and he becomes this amazingly, uh, admiredDirector and andand writer,but thenyou know, comes the controversy with uhMia Farrow's childrenand his own child, uh Ronin.

Ronan Farrow was born with a MarsPluto in Scorpio,and he is basically, uh, exposed in a veryunflattering way. You know, whethereven if everything was legal,um, marrying your stepdaughter is, isweird, and having sexualrelationships with ayou know, a young teenage, you know,woman who just emerged from her teenageyears,is questionable.

And that's very Marsing Capricorn. Youknow, Mars in Capricorncan be attracted to older people oryounger, and I mean, generation, youngersor generations, older.So, the controversy, you know, if we justgo by what's on the surface, is obviously.

Already there, and so he's going throughhis ownsense of shame and being, uh, vilified,and being rejected.

In the movie industry, you know, helost his credibility,and it'sinteresting that all his movies sincethat time already started before, butparticularly since that time, is alwaysthe script revolves aroundgood guy,bad guy,and the good guy, who's always honest,who's verywell-meaning, ends up with a miserablelife.

And the bad guy, who manipulates thesystem,who knows how to lie,who knowshow to manipulate his way around or herway around,is ending up witha good life.

So, in his movie, he keepsvindicating,malice,and, you know, it's a message of "don't be aSucker good people are suckers,and you know it captures his ownhis own journey. I believeso his sonquote unquote biological sonwho apparently is the son of FrankSinatra instead.

Ronan Pharaoh is a journalist, and yousee his chart with son Uranus Mercury,saturated Sag, so very educated, scholarly,uh, intelligent,and articulate. And he's a journalist, andguess what? With Mars Pluto in Scorpio,he's going to be an undercoverjournalist, and he's going to, you know,really bring interesting pieces,confronting corruption.

So,Iran and Pharaoh was instrumental,withcatalyzing the Me Too movement, and theabuse of power,so,you know, the patriarchalDominant males in Showbiz industry,um, but everywhere really,and of course his own father,biological or not,um, is on the spot because of his ownme too allegations.

And so,you see this battleraging between them. He's trying to takehis father down,and you know he's a Mar, he's a sonSaturn father opposing Chiron, wound ofthe father.

But that Mars Pluto,Nev, he's not giving up.You know, he's gonna go after himhowever way he can,as long as he isconvinced that there's something to hide,that there's, you know, thathe's guilty.

So, you see, you know,Woody Allen is also fighting. He's alsonot giving up.And, and,how, you know, you see these two charts?

With Angelina and her sonand then with Woody Allen and Ronan,Pharaoh, you see how these aspects repeatgenerationally.

Another interesting example isPrincess Diana, who was born with aMars Plutoon herNorth Node.

And when any planet is on your node, you'regoing to feel it, you know, because theseplanets are amplified.

They dominate the chart, so you have aMars Plutoas well as your radness on the Regulusfixed star.

Andwhat is she feeling? She's feeling this,on the one hand, you know, marrying aprinceand living the fairy tale, but thatprince is rejecting her,as pretty as she is, as loved as she isby everyone.

Chooses anotherand so she's facing this Pluto in Virgo,you know, body conscious, anorexia, anxiety,going through her own, and of rope, herown feeling of powerlessness, her ownfeeling of being worthless, which wasprobably triggered by also childhood,stuff.Um,but interestingly, as she transformed,you know, she's the, she's going todivorce,Charles.Even though shedoesn't win him over, and he ends up withCamilla, and Camilla is the queen today.

Uh, Diana realized that she needs toseparate, she needs to save her own soul,and she needs to reinvent herself.And she becomes this ambassador of, you know,good causes and against mining,her charisma and popularity onlyincrease.But,at the same time, you know, she'sControversial,um, not many conspiracies that we knowaround her story, but eventually, you know,she dies in this car crash in a tunnel.

Pluto,as the sun and series,Persephone and seriesare right on Pluto, so that wholebeing taken to the underworld iscouldn't be more graphic.

Andthere's an echo of that Mars-Pluto inMars by transit being in Scorpio on herNeptune,you know, trining her Sun, etc.

So, you see that,as much as she reinvented herself andregenerated,she eventuallydied, you know, the risk of deathespecially when Mars and Pluto are onthe nodes, you know, people experiencethese intense life, and can experiencethese intense life and death situations.

And, at the same time, you know, my wholework on the death chart also shows wherethe soul is at, and what they're trying to accomplish.Where you know the death chart is a newbirth chart—that's a topic for another time.But needless to say thatthe transits arereallypowerful,informative.

So,you know, we examined this Pluto-Marsinterplay and howMars begins this journey,and needs to meet Plutoin order to getto the next level,that's the octave.Relationship.Now, some peopleare born,you know, with these types, becauseYou have the Mercury-Uranus octavewhich we're going to explore in the nextvideo, and then Venus-Neptune knocked itoff.

And I'm going to give you this examplewhereyou see a couple here.Yes, let's start with Hillary.She's a Mars-Pluto born, tight 14 Leo,and it's, if the time of birth is correct,that's a new time that we have to 18 A.M.

Uh, no, that's not 2:80 A.M., it's 6:45 P.M.Don't look at that.Um, it's angular, it's right on her IC, butmore than that, it squaresher Sun and a wholeuh,grouping a whole stellium in Scorpio.

So, that's when you see in someone'schart a repetition of Mars-Pluto, Aries,Scorpio,first house, eighth house, over and over.

On angles, on the nodes inside you,you start to see that this person isreally embodying these energies.

As their own existence,so Hillaryis a Mars plural type.She's not just born with a conjunction.Her whole chartcapturesthe intensity between these twoarchetypes,and so, by definition, you cansay she is the type of person who isgoing to face, you know, she's going to beextremely resourceful, very powerful, butshe's going to come to a place where shefaces rejection, where she seescorruption, where she has toquestion her own self.

And she has to go through a state, youknow, she has to go through her ownunderworld,and confront her own demons,to resurrect more,to, and on a higher level,andyou see,her journey, you know, on the one hand,she's thisPowerful womanwho you know became the Secretary ofState,high up in the political echelon, youknow paving the way for other women,Leo women. You know, Mars and Leo womenare going to be role models in thatsense. But her husband's rejects her sexually,andflirts around.

Number one, first rejection,and the second rejection is that at themoment of her prime, when she's about toreachto the maximum,and become the first woman president ofthe United States.She's rejected,she's defeated.And that's a, you know, that's a Mars-Pluto experience.

Don't take your power for granted, don'ttake your victories for granted. It canSlip, you know, in the least expectedtimes, and so these people, you know, withthis Mars Pluto, whofaces violations of trust, face theseum,you know, these experiences where theysee their powerdiminishing, where they lose battles.

They have to go deep into theirown Plutonian realm and do therapyand do spiritual work to be able toaccess,to transform from the underworld to theupper world.

So, we'll see if she reinvents herself,um,in any meaningful way. Right now, she'skind ofkeeping a low profile,but part of her victory, you know, is tosee how Donald Trump is kind ofentangled in so many scandals,that she can sit,and, you know, have a glass of wine andlaugh at the situation.

But still, on a personal level, you seehowshe didn't reclaim her power. We don'tknow yet if that defeat isgoing totransform in a meaningful way. If it'sthe end of her political and personalcareer,could be, given her age as well.

Now, you look at Bill Clinton,and what do you see? One, two, three, four,five, six planets in Libra withLibra rising,andVenus in Libra and the Moon in Taurus.

And so, you see this repetition of Venusenergy. Venus in Libra, Taurus, Venus-Neptuneconjunction. So she's a Mars-Plutoconjunction. He's a Venus in Libra,and the rest of the planets are in the Venus signs.

He's tons of planets in the Mars-Pluto cycle.So, you see that he's a Venus-Neptunetype of person. And what are VenusNeptune types of people? Theyare,Don't want confrontations. They want tosee the positive in everything.

They are optimists; they are charismatic.They're mellow.Whereas the Mars-Pluto type areconfrontational. They're intense. They'rechange makers.Um,theyare constantly on the edge ofyou know, the adrenaline pulse.And the Venus-Neptune people want peace.

They don't want drama,so you can expect him to be thisagreeablehusband, you know, who's going to try tosupport her, but on the other hand, can hehandle her intensity?That's the thing.That we often attract opposite types.Because if you had two Mars people, MarsPluto people in the same marriage,it's becoming a very intense.So they're balancing each other, I mean,those energies. But it's a tough marriage.

Because they are so different under sucha fundamental level,and yet that's the magic of astrology,and that's how we, as counselors, you know,can talk to them and explain what thisis about.

So, you know, stay tuned for the nextchapters. I invite you to my website,again, where you can chooseworkshops. You canbuy single workshops. You don't have toalways get the fulldiploma course,so, go to astrology studies and choose bytopic.

And you're going to have Mars and other planets,um, workshops.

I also invite you to look at my books,um, I think you'll, if you don't have them,you'll gain a lot from them,and you support astrology.

Uh, available for private consultations.

Always, that's also on the website.So thank you, everyone, and until next time, stay safe and make the best out of these transits.